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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

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  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  Smiddy - I'm so glad you asked

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!AvOiTfXYvyqghQ6IlKH6ZldLWCRl?e=450EJg

  enjoy and share .

  Remember:

  NEVER,NEVER,NEVER SUBMIT A LETTER OF DISASSICIATION. It gives your rights and dignity into the hands of those you despise.
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  Jeff -thanx for your input.

  The elders WANT a leaver to tender a letter of 'disassociation". triggering the spontaneous ecclesiastic judicial action of DFing a dangerous apostate.

  This proclamation is signed and retained well before a PIMO or fader hits the elders radar.

  It is not a letter of DA, nor a letter to the elders, it is a persons' private exercise of their Human Rights.-

  freedom of conscience and religion.

  Because it's dated and the rights are already claimed, there is no need for elders interference- the date on the document preempt their authority over ones privacy and affairs.
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  QUITTING QUIETLY here is the Canadian version of the document

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.

  here is the document .

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.

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  A while back, I suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and PIMOs to preempt the elders' interference by QUITTING QUIETLY first , before a fade or a confrontation. Here is the document

  https://1drv.ms/w/s!AvOiTfXYvyqghQ3gBMKhfYQp_jqP?e=8btTG1

  Comments please

  GfG
  
  
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  Belgium: Jehovah’s Witnesses to face trial for discrimination and incitement to hate

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  jehovah’s witnesses to face trial for discrimination and incitement to hate.

  https://www.thebulletin.be/jehovahs-witnesses-face-trial-discrimination-and-incitement-hate?fbclid=iwar3wroaxyiadw0lomgmway-jkwzgzqxtswsid1d2lxhjgtndnfvvclqboo0.

  "while jehovah’s witnesses have been the target of civil court cases before, this is the first time an entire congregation has ever been charged with a crime.".

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  Barbara -

  Do you know if this case will rely, in any respect, on information reviewed in the recent exoneration of Regina Spiess in Switzerland?
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  How the active psychology works on people who are practicing Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Mr.Finkelstein in

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  i dont hold any doctorate degree in human psychology but if you look at the jws from a layman's perspective of whats going on inside the head of your typical jws it isn't that are hard to understand.

  if you haven't noticed the jws have the propensity to reiterate word for word what the wts teaches and fills the heads of people who are strongly attached to the jws religion.. in short the wts tells people what to think and what to say about various topics, theology based or otherwise.

  how that comes about is the wholehearted acceptance that what comes to the readers off the pages of the wts's literature, has come from god's chosen earthly mediators the gb men.

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  Finky-

  just to remind... Jesus didn't write a single word of the Bible.
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  Quit Quietly now more than ever

  by gone for good in

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  the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

  - no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

  make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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  Dubstepped -

  You must have been out, there was a call for you

  Sail Away applied this approach with a 100% success rate

  Read all about it in an ealier post on this thread.
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  Quit Quietly now more than ever

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
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  the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

  - no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

  make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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  Hybridous-

  One of the points Ms. Spiess validated in her exoneration goes something like this -

  To inflict (or even threaten) punishment upon others for not performing an act which can only be valid if done in accord with their individual consciences' - constitutes ecclesiastic coercion.

  It is not a crime to hate, nor is shunning a crime. It is a crime to incite others to hate, it is a criminal act to emotionally harm others, especially youngsters, or to inflict psychological abuse - which can be longer lasting and harder to treat than physical assaults.

  A real life example from JWland. A JW grandfather (to MANY grandchildren) has slowly become an alcoholic in his own home, as a way to cope with his JW wifes complaining, bitchy demanding character. She reports him, and then again later. and then again. Theres JC, he is disfellowshipped and his own beloved grandchildren are coerced into shunning an old man who hasn't harmed a single one of them.

  Those young people didn't really have a true choice of conscience as they had been conditioned throughout their lives with the systemic coercions of groupthink, cult-loyalty, unity at all costs, and punishment to all who question, disagree or transgress.

  No real soil to grow an actual conscience there is there?
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  Quit Quietly now more than ever

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
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  the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

  - no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

  make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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  HowTheBibleWasCreated -

  No meetings and no service create a unique opportunity for leavers. Many will have already seen how utterly irrelevant religion really is, and how puny/non-existent is any direction, help or comfort from G.O.D.s.

  Reddit ex/jw is alive with comments from young folks dreading the return to the dismal JW (ab)normal life.

  They have nothing to lose by writing a letter claiming their legal, permanent right to freedom far superior to even their freedoms of the past 3 months.

  As they anticipate only the resumption of propaganda and manipulation of their lives - they have much to gain with a quick decisive exit right now.
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  Quit Quietly now more than ever

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
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  the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

  - no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

  make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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  Phizzy -

  I'm so delighted to see you make the connection that your letter IS your exercise of a human right.

  Sign, dated, witnessed, and specifying explicitly the actions of violations you will no longer tolerate - I think you have a very substantial legal document to stop congregational persecution dead in its tracks.

  Phizzy, you raised an amazing congruent point in your last paragraph ! - thank you so much for it..

  The unstoppable knock on effect within the congregation!

  Most (I would assert ALL) of the shunning is not really voluntary reaction by individuals but rather is the result of the industrial level coercion from the ecclesiastical chain overhead -bullying to be blunt.

  To have legally shed the cult status of "Brother" without ecclesiastic censure will certainly not go unnoticed inside the congregation.

  When your loved ones (and true friends) realize that they can now "scripturally" associate freely with you - they will soon appreciate exactly how great a freedom you achieved with a simple well-timed, well-written letter.

  If the elders attempt to harass your associates their first and obvious realization will be "....I need to write a letter also - just like Phizzys'" Then their friends get freedom-envy and they think "... I need to write a letter" etc. etc,

  As for me and my household, we can almost hear the Watchtower splitting to pieces.
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  Quit Quietly now more than ever

  by gone for good in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.

  - no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.

  make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).

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  Phizzy -

  THE LETTER IS YOUR CLAIM TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION !!

  Once the letter is finished you are free because you claimed your freedom in the letter !

  No more ecclesiastic authority can be brought to bear as you are no longer a member- you have claimed your freedom in writing and superseded their authority with your own.

  Democracies guarantee human rights to all from your first breath - you didn't have to claim it like you did a license, you always had it - it's written in stone.

  Separation of church and state means that freedom is the norm and only willing submission of membership in cults can suspend it. sSince membership is voluntary - the state need not interfere in ecclesistical affairs to restore a persons freedom - they do it themselves by simply ending the membership and claiming the freedom as their own

  We willingly suspended our human rights by becoming members of a religion whose doctrine and discipline involves intimidating members from ever leaving and punishing members who have or are about to leave.

  Can you imagine on what grounds a church could possibly disregard your claim to freedom of religion??Apostasy?? There are no laws on apostasy in democracies - . to abandon or change is a right not a crime.

  On what grounds could they possibly dispute the fact that their own authority over you has been rescinded in writing? The courts do not and cannot force ecclesiastic authority upon those who have rescinded membership and the authority of the church - to enforce ecclesiastic law would itself be a violation of religious freedoms committed by the court itself !

  It's all about membership -restarting your secular freedoms by ending the cult membership.

  Timing is paramount -preempt and repudiate ecclesiastical interference in strong terms '

  The threats will never need to be acted on because there are simply no grounds whatsoever upon which they can contest your actions.in a court.

  Ain't nobody goin' to court with this plan - ever.